Hendo, It's not that I am or want to give up on those machines... I just like doing the coin,relic and jewlery hunting and was looking to get a machine that would better suit that type of metal detecting... I am not sure the 705 will do that for me... I have already tested the gold bug pro out on it and unfortunately there was no way for me to descriminate the trash from the good targets with it.. I had to dig every last little noise it made... I have yet to be able to test the 705 out on it... I just know I want to have a machine I can use for the relic stuff and still be able to go out with Chris on his trips for nugget hunting... I am very easily disappointed when it comes to stuff and I guess this is what has happened with the nugget hunting I have been going out for a long while now with Chris and have watched him and others pull nuggets out of the ground he even got a little meteorite out of gold basin.... I again for the ummm teenth time walked away with nothing. I know that you can find more gold and silver doing the coin, relic and jewlery hunting which is why I have leaned more towards that type of detecting.. I mean it's like I told Chris it's sad when I have more fun metal detecting and digging up our front yard than I do going out to supossed gold bearing places... I just don't know what to do I guess.. Thank you for your advice though it is much appreciated...