I'll try to answer you all here! First, yes I do have a backup detector, (t2) I found lots of nuggets with it, but nothing deep. I do like it a bunch... BUT its not my elephant gun, as some say the gpx is. I am going to the place I have dreamed about since I was a kid. At least I am still going! As for the box, ok I will open it. just wasn't sure! I am out here in elko now, so headed over to Walmart to get a tool set. I brought just the box with me. I haven't posted on here in a long time, but I appreciate the help. Chuck, great story! I know exactly which whites you are talking bout. My buddy has one that is in perfect condition, looks like new. You know in 07 when they took our dredging, I wanted to keep diving. I better try a AT PRO, if I am going to keep this up. This is a first for me in 7 years of detecting the creeks. Maybe I am getting old though. I have never fell so fast! As you all know, the creeks are very slick this year, and WARM! Dave, yessir, I hope this does it. Thank you I messaged you on fb, but it didn't go through for some reason! I read a post where you said that before. If it comes to that, cool. that would be a wash with the gold I found just before the dunk. just bad timing! thank you all, joe